[Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)

Ron Ackerman xitami@lists.xitami.org
Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:04:08 -0400 

I wasn't asking for help and am not sure I really need it except for maybe
the AOL issue, if you want to email me off list here is my email address
ron@miplanet.net. Also this is another good reason to be on a forum vs a
mailing list. On a forum you can create an off topic thread, but a mailing
list is restricted to only one topic. Another good point of a forum is
organization and searching for answers. Also a good Moderator should keep
the topic relevant and keep everyone in check and on track.

By the way you should be able to get the email address from anyone on the
list by looking at the From: field.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org
[mailto:xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org]On Behalf Of Johannes Prost
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:38 AM
To: xitami@lists.xitami.org
Subject: Re: RE: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)


Hello Michael,

sorry that this subject line became an anti spam discussion. Furthermore, I
didn't received/see  any respond
to your subject from Thomas Hruska. As you and others maybe have seen, I
offered Ron help even outside this
list as I mentioned as well that this topic (mailserver/anti spam) is off
topic of xitami. But unfortunatly I
can't find any "privat" mail address. Is this special to this list ? It
makes it so "anonym" that one can't
contact some else off list for a quick question which would bring no
benefits to the listmembers.
I don't want to offend you listmembers, but I think it would bring more
"life" in this list and it would
benefit defenitly all members and especially our good common product; xitami
webserver.

If I'm totally out of line with those view's, PLEASE let me know. I'm
flexible and can adjust pretty quick.



Am 20 Apr 2004 um 19:35 hat Michael diLorenzo geschrieben:

> I regret that the subject line of my original help request became the
> subject line for a spam/anti-spam discussion.  Fortunately, a smart guy by
> the name of Thomas Hruska picked up on my help request, and has helped me
> arrive at a "workaround," and hopefully I'll be able to find a good,
> permanent solution soon.
>
> It has to do with PHP, a web server, and Windows Home Edition.  It's a
> bear of a problem, and I hope you don't run into it.  If you do, seek out
> Tom.
>
> Michael
>
> I'm running WindowsXP Home, the latest Xitami web server, the latest
> stable release of PHP
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:56:00 -0600, Johannes Prost <xitami@pastryworld.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I run the mailserver only for my own company, so I don't have customers
> > to look for and it's on a dynamic IP.
> > Regards the behaivior of AOL, I have the same problem, BUT you can
> > deliver your mail to your ISP's server
> > which will then relay the message to the receipients address. If you are
> > interested, I can give you more info
> > on this. I will do this the off list, because it's not xitami related.
> > Just post your e-mail.
> > By the way, you mentioned below you have to de-list my domain. Where ?
> > Why ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 19 Apr 2004 um 17:38 hat Ron Ackerman geschrieben:
> >
> >> The problem with blacklists is that sometimes legitimate mail servers
> >> get
> >> put on the list. For instance I run 12 domains with Xitami on a dynamic
> >> dns.
> >> This automatically makes all my domains invalid for sending email to,
> >> for
> >> instance, AOL users. I haven't had any other problems lately but have
> >> in the
> >> past and just try getting your domain de-listed when you are on a
> >> dynamic
> >> IP. It's we, the General Public, that is suffering because of ISP's
> >> unwilling to shut down spammers. What happens when you block emails for
> >> your
> >> customers and someone misses an important message. Are you prepared to
> >> suffer the legal ramifications? I'm not, so I will leave it to the
> >> customer
> >> to weed thru the spam.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org
> >> [mailto:xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org]On Behalf Of Johannes Prost
> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:07 PM
> >> To: xitami@lists.xitami.org
> >> Subject: Re: RE: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)
> >>
> >>
> >> I would never run a mailserver without pointing to realtime blacklist
> >> servers. I'm using actually 3
> >> blacklist's. Here is one of the bigger one's too, Http://ordb.org
> >>
> >> Am 18 Apr 2004 um 20:31 hat corwin geschrieben:
> >>
> >> > I would like to suggest your get your email servers to looks a 3rd
> >> party
> >> for a db of blocked servers.
> >> >
> >> > Last week I turned my email servers to www.spamhaus.org for
> >> checking.  I
> >> can say my smtp traffic is down by almost 80%.  My clients are very
> >> happy
> >> with the results.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > There are many different spam stopping software's on the market and
> >> several
> >> > > that request you return a coded reply so that your email is
> >> accepted but
> >> > > more than likely he is able to put in accepted domains so that they
> >> > > shouldn't happen. I used one for a bit but not on this account and
> >> have
> >> > > since started using something else. Unfortunately with the amount
of
> >> spam
> >> > > the flows on the internet people are starting to take desperate
> >> actions
> >> in
> >> > > order to stop it. I just returned from being gone for a week and
had
> >> over
> >> > > 1000 messages with maybe less than 100 actual good messages. The
> >> ratio
> >> of
> >> > > email to spam is growing at an alarming rate. So don't come done on
> >> folks
> >> > > trying to get a handle on their email.
> >> > >
> >> > > No need to reply, I get off my soapbox now.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ron
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org
> >> > > [mailto:xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org]On Behalf Of Brian {Hamilton
> >> > > Kelly}
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:01 PM
> >> > > To: xitami@lists.xitami.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Has anyone else seen this sort of stupidity when they post articles
> >> to
> >> > > the list?  Quite frankly, I'm not going to play games with idiots
> >> who
> >> > > so badly/sadly misconfigure their anti-spam measures that a post
> >> through
> >> > > a mailing list becomes a false positive.  Especially, I'm not going
> >> to
> >> > > visit a web-site which might just be a mechanism for harvesting
> >> known-
> >> > > to-be-working e-mail addresses, perhaps even without the knowledge
> >> of
> >> > > this mailing list subscriber.
> >> > >
> >> > > If others have had such nonsensical "rejections" then perhaps the
> >> list
> >> > > owner needs to have a quiet little word in the earhole of Erv.
> >> > >
> >> > > Forwarded message follows:
> >> > >
> >> > > > To: Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP
> >> > > > From: Spam Interceptor <devnull@si20.com>
> >> > > > Message-Id: <E1BExa3-0004Pc-00@optimus>
> >> > > > Sender: Spam Interceptor <siweb@solidblue.biz>
> >> > > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:42:31 -0400
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dear Brian {Hamilton Kelly},
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This is Erv Kosch. I am running Spam Interceptor to block spam
> >> email
> >> and
> >> > > viruses. Please follow this link to verify that the message you
> >> sent is
> >> not
> >> > > spam email.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://si20.com/auth?uid=xxxx&mid=xxx&sid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > >
> >> > > [I've obfuscated the details in the above that were personalized to
> >> > > myself.]
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Your email was intercepted because it got a spam rating of 5.4
> >> and I
> >> set
> >> > > Spam Interceptor to ask everyone who sends me a message rated over
> >> 2 to
> >> > > authenticate. When you authenticate I'll receive your email and
> >> you'll
> >> never
> >> > > have to authenticate for me again, no matter what spam rating your
> >> emails
> >> > > get.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Erv Kosch
> >> > >
> >> > > [snip]
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >    fix (vb.): 1. to paper over, obscure, hide from public view; 2.
> >> to
> >> > >    work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that
> >> are
> >> > >    worse than the original problem.  Usage: "Windows ME fixes many
> >> of
> >> the
> >> > >    shortcomings of Windows 98 SE".
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> >
> >> > Corwin
> >> > 30+ MAA
> >> > www.30plus.org
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> Johannes
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------
> >> Johannes Prost
> >> xitami@pastryworld.ca
> >>
> >>
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> > Johannes
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Johannes Prost
> > xitami@pastryworld.ca
> >
> >
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