[Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)
Johannes Prost
xitami@lists.xitami.org
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:37:59 -0600
Hello Michael,
sorry that this subject line became an anti spam discussion. Furthermore, I didn't received/see any respond
to your subject from Thomas Hruska. As you and others maybe have seen, I offered Ron help even outside this
list as I mentioned as well that this topic (mailserver/anti spam) is off topic of xitami. But unfortunatly I
can't find any "privat" mail address. Is this special to this list ? It makes it so "anonym" that one can't
contact some else off list for a quick question which would bring no benefits to the listmembers.
I don't want to offend you listmembers, but I think it would bring more "life" in this list and it would
benefit defenitly all members and especially our good common product; xitami webserver.
If I'm totally out of line with those view's, PLEASE let me know. I'm flexible and can adjust pretty quick.
Am 20 Apr 2004 um 19:35 hat Michael diLorenzo geschrieben:
> I regret that the subject line of my original help request became the
> subject line for a spam/anti-spam discussion. Fortunately, a smart guy by
> the name of Thomas Hruska picked up on my help request, and has helped me
> arrive at a "workaround," and hopefully I'll be able to find a good,
> permanent solution soon.
>
> It has to do with PHP, a web server, and Windows Home Edition. It's a
> bear of a problem, and I hope you don't run into it. If you do, seek out
> Tom.
>
> Michael
>
> I'm running WindowsXP Home, the latest Xitami web server, the latest
> stable release of PHP
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:56:00 -0600, Johannes Prost <xitami@pastryworld.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I run the mailserver only for my own company, so I don't have customers
> > to look for and it's on a dynamic IP.
> > Regards the behaivior of AOL, I have the same problem, BUT you can
> > deliver your mail to your ISP's server
> > which will then relay the message to the receipients address. If you are
> > interested, I can give you more info
> > on this. I will do this the off list, because it's not xitami related.
> > Just post your e-mail.
> > By the way, you mentioned below you have to de-list my domain. Where ?
> > Why ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 19 Apr 2004 um 17:38 hat Ron Ackerman geschrieben:
> >
> >> The problem with blacklists is that sometimes legitimate mail servers
> >> get
> >> put on the list. For instance I run 12 domains with Xitami on a dynamic
> >> dns.
> >> This automatically makes all my domains invalid for sending email to,
> >> for
> >> instance, AOL users. I haven't had any other problems lately but have
> >> in the
> >> past and just try getting your domain de-listed when you are on a
> >> dynamic
> >> IP. It's we, the General Public, that is suffering because of ISP's
> >> unwilling to shut down spammers. What happens when you block emails for
> >> your
> >> customers and someone misses an important message. Are you prepared to
> >> suffer the legal ramifications? I'm not, so I will leave it to the
> >> customer
> >> to weed thru the spam.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org
> >> [mailto:xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org]On Behalf Of Johannes Prost
> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:07 PM
> >> To: xitami@lists.xitami.org
> >> Subject: Re: RE: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)
> >>
> >>
> >> I would never run a mailserver without pointing to realtime blacklist
> >> servers. I'm using actually 3
> >> blacklist's. Here is one of the bigger one's too, Http://ordb.org
> >>
> >> Am 18 Apr 2004 um 20:31 hat corwin geschrieben:
> >>
> >> > I would like to suggest your get your email servers to looks a 3rd
> >> party
> >> for a db of blocked servers.
> >> >
> >> > Last week I turned my email servers to www.spamhaus.org for
> >> checking. I
> >> can say my smtp traffic is down by almost 80%. My clients are very
> >> happy
> >> with the results.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > There are many different spam stopping software's on the market and
> >> several
> >> > > that request you return a coded reply so that your email is
> >> accepted but
> >> > > more than likely he is able to put in accepted domains so that they
> >> > > shouldn't happen. I used one for a bit but not on this account and
> >> have
> >> > > since started using something else. Unfortunately with the amount of
> >> spam
> >> > > the flows on the internet people are starting to take desperate
> >> actions
> >> in
> >> > > order to stop it. I just returned from being gone for a week and had
> >> over
> >> > > 1000 messages with maybe less than 100 actual good messages. The
> >> ratio
> >> of
> >> > > email to spam is growing at an alarming rate. So don't come done on
> >> folks
> >> > > trying to get a handle on their email.
> >> > >
> >> > > No need to reply, I get off my soapbox now.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ron
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org
> >> > > [mailto:xitami-admin@lists.xitami.org]On Behalf Of Brian {Hamilton
> >> > > Kelly}
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:01 PM
> >> > > To: xitami@lists.xitami.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP (fwd)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Has anyone else seen this sort of stupidity when they post articles
> >> to
> >> > > the list? Quite frankly, I'm not going to play games with idiots
> >> who
> >> > > so badly/sadly misconfigure their anti-spam measures that a post
> >> through
> >> > > a mailing list becomes a false positive. Especially, I'm not going
> >> to
> >> > > visit a web-site which might just be a mechanism for harvesting
> >> known-
> >> > > to-be-working e-mail addresses, perhaps even without the knowledge
> >> of
> >> > > this mailing list subscriber.
> >> > >
> >> > > If others have had such nonsensical "rejections" then perhaps the
> >> list
> >> > > owner needs to have a quiet little word in the earhole of Erv.
> >> > >
> >> > > Forwarded message follows:
> >> > >
> >> > > > To: Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Xitami] Xitami and PHP
> >> > > > From: Spam Interceptor <devnull@si20.com>
> >> > > > Message-Id: <E1BExa3-0004Pc-00@optimus>
> >> > > > Sender: Spam Interceptor <siweb@solidblue.biz>
> >> > > > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:42:31 -0400
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dear Brian {Hamilton Kelly},
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This is Erv Kosch. I am running Spam Interceptor to block spam
> >> email
> >> and
> >> > > viruses. Please follow this link to verify that the message you
> >> sent is
> >> not
> >> > > spam email.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://si20.com/auth?uid=xxxx&mid=xxx&sid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > >
> >> > > [I've obfuscated the details in the above that were personalized to
> >> > > myself.]
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Your email was intercepted because it got a spam rating of 5.4
> >> and I
> >> set
> >> > > Spam Interceptor to ask everyone who sends me a message rated over
> >> 2 to
> >> > > authenticate. When you authenticate I'll receive your email and
> >> you'll
> >> never
> >> > > have to authenticate for me again, no matter what spam rating your
> >> emails
> >> > > get.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Erv Kosch
> >> > >
> >> > > [snip]
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > fix (vb.): 1. to paper over, obscure, hide from public view; 2.
> >> to
> >> > > work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that
> >> are
> >> > > worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many
> >> of
> >> the
> >> > > shortcomings of Windows 98 SE".
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> >
> >> > Corwin
> >> > 30+ MAA
> >> > www.30plus.org
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> Johannes
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------
> >> Johannes Prost
> >> xitami@pastryworld.ca
> >>
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> > Johannes
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Johannes Prost
> > xitami@pastryworld.ca
> >
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Johannes Prost
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