Hi people, i didnt realise i had posted to the list until i recieved a message saying my post had been held up. Andrew had asked about mailman and i had offered to send him my old copy of it to try. so when he asked i assumed it was a direct e-mail rather than a list e-mail. Andrew please contact me directly for this garry@cable.net.nz Garry Stanley Cable.net.nz Beta Data Solutions Ltd.