I just took a look at the 2.5b5 docs and it states that if you want to define your own, to rename pipedef.xml. I checked my download, and this file is not in the current download at all. With me not being a programmer, I am quite hesitant to create something that I haven't got a clue. In reference to my earlier post, I believe I had downloaded 2.5b4 which had the pipedef file. Thanks Les